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A contest for all you trackers! Posted: 2010-08-23 23:03  (Last Edited: 2010-08-26 21:25) Reply | Quote
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After seeing so many 900 bpm songs, I came up with an idea for a contest. The rules are simple:

  • It must be pleasing to hear.

  • It must be original.

  • It must not use arpeggio or hi/pitch envelopes to simulate more notes than would fit in one line (thanks to rushjet1 for the wording)

  • It must be as slow as you can make it; 6 bpm would be ideal, but not required.


  • There will be a poll for the best one once a few people enter.


    Entrants:
    Rushjet1 - derpppp.ftm
    kinkinkijkin - slow_contest_entry.ftm
    Demick12 - demick12s_adagio_in_a_minor.ftm
    nicetas-c - untitled_as_expected.ftm
    TechEmporium - a_snails_funeral_march.ftm

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 03:00  (Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:02) Reply | Quote
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    #8948
    ... What? 6 beats per minute?! That's 1 beat for every 2.5 seconds!

    Have you even tried doing a tune at 6 BPM? Try making a tune that you can listen to with a speed of 18 & a tempo of 20; you'll see what I mean.

    As far as I can tell, it's not possible to make a pleasing song that flows smoothly with 6 BPM; it's too slow. Now, if we're allowed to exceed your speed limit, then I'd probably join in.

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 03:01 Reply | Quote
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    #8949
    Interesting idea, but kind of a redundant concept with the arpeggio feature in the instrument editor.

    Posted: 2010-08-24 03:21  (Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:25) Reply | Quote
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    #8950
    TechEmporium wrote:
    Now, if we're allowed to exceed your speed limit, then I'd probably join in.

    I wrote:
    6 bpm would be ideal.


    Ideal, not necessary. I said as slow as you can make it. I realize that 6 is a ridiculous goal.
    But I added clarification anyway.

    Mex wrote:
    kind of a redundant concept with the arpeggio feature.


    Good point. Edited.

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 03:27  (Last Edited: 2010-08-24 03:27) Reply | Quote
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    #8951
    Famitracker has a Macro for the instruments, the limit of "6bpm" doesn't exist actually. With an arpeggio or volume envelope you can do anything you want. This contest doesn't make sense.

    And though sense made, with 6bpm it's not possible to do anything, so this contest is not applicable anyhow.

    Regards.

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 05:00  (Last Edited: 2010-08-24 05:05) Reply | Quote
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    #8952
    That's exactly what I mean; 6 BPM isn't realistic to achieve a single good tune at all.

    Wit all the limits imposed, it's impossible to do anything proper when it comes to making a tune. Now, FamiCompo Mini doesn't have any ridiculous restrictions like 6 BPM ideal tempo, or replacing arpeggios with note delays (which makes the matter of 6 BPM ideal tempo much worse).

    And as Delek said, FamiTracker limits you to a minimum tempo that's much grater than 6 BPM (in the tempo settings, you can only use 20 BPM minimum at speed=6). In order to get a BPM of 6, you have to increase the speed to 18 while decreasing the tempo to 20. That, xolroc, is only a tiny bit faster than a snail. So, I'd completely ignore the idea of saying something like "6 BPM ideal speed."

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 13:11 Reply | Quote
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    #8955
    What do you not understand about "but not required"?

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 13:23  (Last Edited: 2010-08-24 13:44) Reply | Quote
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    Posted: 2010-08-24 17:10 Reply | Quote
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    #8961
    Man, your little nice song is not made in 9.375BPM, because you are hacking the speed using volume envelopes and pitch ups. I repeat, Famitracker has a Macro, the tempo and speed are anecdotal.

    But if the contest its like "make a song in a complicated manner" the contest is good, but i will not participate.

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 17:39 Reply | Quote
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    #8962
    is this in any way inspired by that justin bieber track?


    c'mon, admit it.

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 18:37 Reply | Quote
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    #8964
    yes, this is all rather convoluted.

    "slow songs contest" isn't a bad idea, but there doesn't need to be any more stipulations than that. "slow" should be the perceptual measurement, not a technical one (ie. compose at speed 1 if you like, so long as you end up writing something that sounds slow.) and of course "slow" is subjective to a degree so you might wanna say something like "aim for somewhere around or below 80bpm."

    as it stands it sounds more like proof of concept than a recipe for good songs. furthermore the "no arpeggio" rule is arbitrary and "pleasing to hear" is unquantifiable. just some thoughts. it's probably not the best time to be running a contest anyway, what with famicompo going on.

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    #8967
    nicetas_c wrote:
    THE HI-/PITCH ENVELOPES ARE ENOUGH.


    I consider that cheating. The rules have been edited.

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    Posted: 2010-08-24 22:26  (Last Edited: 2010-08-24 22:28) Reply | Quote
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    #8968
    xolroc wrote:
    I consider that cheating. The rules have been edited.

    Thus it is too reasonable for no sense to exist at all.

    Also, what is the exact definition of 'slow' here?
    xolroc wrote:
    It must be as slow as you can make it;

    Now I have gone insane, the slowest I can do is 900BPM, isn't it?

    Posted: 2010-08-24 22:52 Reply | Quote
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    #8969
    The definition of slow here is low tempo and high speed. Anything less than 50 bpm should be fine.

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